
Well since you clearly haven't learned anything that reverts don't help, I'll discuss here. That the fact you just removed is true is very simple to show. Simply do the calculation for the caloric expenditure that is claimed for the EPOC effect. Then calculate the caloric expenditure from a given amount of time of anaerobic training then for the same amount of time of aerobic training. Let's use an hours worth of each. An hour of primarily anaerobic weightlifting would run to about 200 calories or so being generous, mostly because you can't do it continuously for the whole hour by definition. Then lets ignore the fact that the EPOC effect does not raise the entire metabolism, and divide a day's metabolic rate into an hour, lets use 2400/24=100. Then lets say EPOC accounts for 25% more for 4 hours (an amount and duration high enough that I don't think any peer reviewed science would support, but lets use it for illustration.) That adds to another 100 calories over normal metabolism, for a total of 300. An hour of moderate to slow jogging burns about 600 calories. So its 600 vs 300 using very generous assumptions on the EPOC side. Therefore the added fact is correct. I misplaced the paper I had making the calculations, but no matter what reasonable numbers you use, the fact remains correct. - Taxman 00:49, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)20-30 minutes of HIIT expends half as much energy during exercise as 30-45 minutes of aerobic exercise, but results in 3 times the total energy drawdown on the human body. The only conclusion to be drawn from the utter silliness of your argument is that you are a vandal who is attempting to start a fight. Blair P. Houghton 18:11, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)The two sources I gave you do not support your calculation, and it's a lie to say they do. Further, your added paragraph is directly refuted by the fat-loss results in the exrx.net table. The 51-127 kcal energy attributed to EPOC in your current version is not related to amount of exercise done and therefore means nothing. The only study comparing the two regimes showed that short, high-intensity exercise plus EPOC has a much greater effect on total energy use (as measured by fat loss) than does longer endurance-type exercise. Just posting citations without understanding them does not constitute supporting your position. I am--again--removing the falsehood. Blair P. Houghton 19:47, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)I'd like to reduce these points to items we can agree or disagree with individually, because I see this discussion as wandering between a few non-equivalent points of view.The EPOC effect, in terms of expended calories ranges from 51 to 127 calories.Aerobic exercies has an advantage in terms of expended calories over anaerobic exercise.This advantage is greater, for a typical period, than the EPOC effect, as described above.This is not necessarily relevant to the relative merits of one exercise regime over another, in terms of fat loss (a different measure than caloric expenditure)One study showed a regime of interval training (mostly anaerobic) to be superior to endurance training (mostly aerobic) in terms of fat loss.What we should all be looking for here is to find the passage that we can include without argument--merely reverting edits isn't going to get us anywhere. In particulary, let's avoid accusations of lying or vandalism. Demi T/C 07:24, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)Calories are energy; 3500 calories per pound of fat lost (4400 calories per pound of lipid but what's lost isn't all lipid, there's some non-energy related water and some lower-energy protein and carbohydrate stored in that adipose tissue). Energy, fat, and calories are not confusing, they're the same thing.The 51-127 kcal number is not related to any particular exercise expenditure; it is not possible to know how much exercise produced that amount of EPOC, nor whether that measurement is accurate and does not miss much of the actual energy depleted during EPOC. As I posted long ago, it proves nothing in any way on either side of this argument.Blair P. Houghton 01:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)You're clearly nothing but a troll. The sources you posted don't support your utter POV, and you're playing these games. Don't do it again. Blair P. Houghton 03:33, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)